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jk
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Posted 8/22/2009 4:34 PM (GMT -5)

http://www.21stcenturyamsterdam.com/amsterdam-grachtenfestival.html

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TwelveTone
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Posted 8/23/2009 4:21 PM (GMT -5)

I would SO love to go to that. I really wish I could afford to go to Europe to study composition.

jk
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Posted 8/23/2009 5:30 PM (GMT -5)

You'd be SO welcome!

I only can say it would be worth your money: the schools are high rank: Amsterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, Groningen, and, yes, this small town of Middelburg! music is one of its figure-heads - an excellent music school - I think you can afford: fixed college fee of some 1600 euro + cheap lodging. Please, have a look at http://www.roac.nl/roac/ .

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TwelveTone
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Posted 8/23/2009 11:37 PM (GMT -5)

I looked at that link. No courses in composition that I could find... any Master's programs in composition?

jk
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Posted 8/24/2009 2:49 AM (GMT -5)

You could contact them by e-mail. They're very flexible and never inclined to say NO. They can easily exchange programs with other universities, distances are small, travelling is convenient, fees are all the same, to the amount I mentioned before (settled by law - Dutch moms and dads paying tax for it). Programs & exams are organized according to modern Anglo-Saxon lines.

Also, attitude towards modern music, experimental, avant garde &c. is extremely positive.

After all: "We need you!"

edit: two of their teachers are very active, modern composers themselves, one them educated by the modern French School (having passed all her exams cum laude).

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Post Edited (jk) : 8/24/2009 12:22:34 PM (GMT-5)

TwelveTone
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Posted 8/29/2009 4:20 AM (GMT -5)

Jan, I've been thinking a lot about that school. I'd really like to get out of the US (lol), and in any case I really want to experience other cultures. 1600 Euro for a year, really? I was looking through the application requirements. I think they're more strict than you might think. I was just wondering, are you affiliated with the university in any way? Have you attended there? Thanks.

TwelveTone
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Posted 8/29/2009 4:27 AM (GMT -5)

Hmm, also, I'm looking to earn a Master's degree. Are they offered there? I only see B.A. degrees offered.

jk
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Posted 8/29/2009 5:18 AM (GMT -5)

Bb/C said...
Jan, I've been thinking a lot about that school. I'd really like to get out of the US (lol), and in any case I really want to experience other cultures. 1600 Euro for a year, really? I was looking through the application requirements. I think they're more strict than you might think. I was just wondering, are you affiliated with the university in any way? Have you attended there? Thanks.

I'll give you a few links:

Amsterdam is the best choice: http://www.english.conservatoriumvanamsterdam.nl/en/
Way of living there is gorgeous - the party never stops there ...

Rotterdam: http://www.codarts.nl/01_home_en/02_cons/index.php

Utrecht: http://www.hku.nl/web/show/id=94669

I don't know the exact amount but it's about that 1600 Euro.
Unlike in Middelburg, housing in those cities might be sort of problem since you have to find a place by yourself and the conservatories in the other cities are not the campus type of schools.

Are you sure you like to get out of the US? Millions try to get IN! A friend of mine has lived there for four years (Princeton NJ area) she never ceases harpering on the good time she had there.

I've been talking to people of the ROAC here in M. One thing they're very strict in is 'working hard'. 85% of enrolled students are passing their exams - the highest by far in Neth.

No, I've not attended there, I studied Actuarial Science, extramural. Apart from harmony lessons under a very strict teacher, eight years of serious flute lessons, some scattered but excellent piano and harpsichord lessons, I'm an autodidact, and as a composer completely so.

The school in M. was founded five years ago, and I've been visiting some introduction meetings. I asked them then, whether I could study Acturaial Science, and they said, "not right now but we can manage that". The school is affiliated with the University of Utrecht and they can "borrow" the people they need.

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Post Edited (jk) : 9/2/2009 1:56:35 AM (GMT-5)

TwelveTone
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Posted 8/29/2009 5:48 AM (GMT -5)

Thanks for the info. Um, yes I want out of the US, lol. It's nice here, but I don't agree with some things about our country and our society to be honest with you. And uh, well things are a little scary here right now. Things are very tough for the middle class these days. Anyway, I don't want to go into all of that stuff, but I'd really like to see the world, which is another big reason. I'll look into those other schools. Living in Amsterdam would be amazing. I'll see if I can actually pull it off... lol.

jk
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Posted 8/29/2009 7:12 AM (GMT -5)

You'll study with people like Louis Andriessen, Rob Zuidam, Theo Loevendie, Daan Manneke and many others from the Neth. and abroad.

Cultural (musical) atmosphere in Amsterdam:
Apart from tens of venues in the city center on modern music, including experimental, avant garde &c, jazz, folk (many nationalitites), rap, heavy metal and other more obscure styles in smoky cellars, there's since 2005 the "Muziekgebouw aan 't IJ" (Music Building upon the IJ - read as "Y" pronounce as "I").
And, of course, we have our Concertgebouw with it's orchestra, now under Mariss Janson, apparently an extremely fortunate couple(!) - (the best orchestra in the world - according to Grammophone readers ...).
Finally there is that yearly event of the Uitmarkt , visited by hundreds of thousands of people - please, have a look at their site.

For people like yourself an el dorado - I think.

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TwelveTone
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Posted 8/29/2009 3:46 PM (GMT -5)

El dorado? Lol.

jk
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Posted 8/30/2009 11:49 AM (GMT -5)

... just thought you might find what you're looking for and feel at ease.

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TwelveTone
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Posted 8/30/2009 6:53 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks buddy.

jk
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Posted 12/4/2009 4:29 AM (GMT -5)

Twelve such events had taken place. Yesterday a press message was released that this year was the last time - due to the lack of sufficient sponsoring.

Must we say: "Hit by credit crisis" ?

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